including texas. texas is well known to be -- in fact may even be the highest in terms of executions for any state in america. so i guess the part of your issue, unless i'm wrong, is that a lot of your brethren that come to watch you presumably would support the death penalty? >> sure, i think so. i think -- i don't know for a fact. but i think many of them -- many people do. and, you know, i just again, i don't know the right answer. it's hard for me to tell someone to be put to death. >> but if you came out particularly in somewhere like texas you, joel osteen, came out and said, enough. i don't think we can continue with this. particularly based on the facts. joel, my problem with the whole death penalty debate are the statistics these days are alarming. over 100 people in america on death row have had their sentences commuted because of new evidence. 17 of them because dna evidence proved they didn't commit the crime. when you hear that, surely you begin to think that this isn't right. and you hav